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lordoftherings07-12 11:39 AMIt seems after reading all this that canada maynot be for all aspirants. You need to know somebody already there and should have strong family ties before you land. Or better get a job offer from a company first or acceptance offer from an university if you want to enter as a student.

Just my thoughts.....


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kittu199107-16 06:02 PMEB2 is current now..."EB2 will be current within a year" gives an impression that EB2 which is not current will get current in one year...
He is talking about Eb2 India.

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gimme_GC200605-03 09:12 AMas long as puppet Mannu and ring mistress sonia are in New delhi, Indian govt will do nothing...I dont support LTTE at any cost but condemn civilian killing.

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immigrationvoice102-14 01:18 PMYou are assuming of course that all those who fall in the India category are Indians - I am not. I'm a Canadian who happened to be born in India and thus fall into that same bucket. My fellow Canadians who were born in Canada and are now in the US all support me in the removal of per country limits. Let us be more accurate and refer to this as the "mood amongst fellow Indian-born applicants", as opposed to "fellow Indians".

With one fifth of the world population born in India, we probably consider everyone who has anything to do with India as "Indians" (as Russell Peters, another Indo-Canadian (Anglo Indian) said, "Indians - the ones from the Convenience stores and NOT from the Casinos!"), its the same thing...."Desis" would be a wider term I believe! We love all !



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patfanboston05-12 09:25 PM@venetian:

I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.


Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?

There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?

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GC918009-25 03:20 PMmonthly number calculations not quarterly or yearly



from the above doc


.... Each month a determination is made regarding the number of visas that can be made
available on a worldwide basis. .......
Numbers are made available in the chronological order of the applicant’s
priority dates. The monthly cut-off dates, which are used to determine
whether an applicant’s case is eligible for final interview, are published in the
Visa Bulletin available on the CA Intranet site....".


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actaccord01-13 10:10 PMto some of your points, but
is the response from amitjoey not enough to understand why PlainSpeak's view won't work ?

amitjoey response is good, correct, to the point and more civil than any one else. As you said there are more silent readers who if don't see amitjoey's response will consider IV is trying to do something wrong by harsh response (through their senior members/donors). Just read all comments except amitjoey's the thread will give different view (-ve to IV forum).

When some one reads uncivilized comments they don't just think bad about the person but also get -ve impression about the forum. You are missing important point, just because some one wants to give comments so that silent readers find abt people like plainspeak/gcperm but in reality it works just against the forum nothing else.

And when we want to create a professional forum for a reason/cause, as a forum member we need to maintain some professionalism in our comments. If anyone find any thread is not appropriate respond perfectly like amitjoey or report it to moderator.

As a new member (joined just 2008 and read only reasonable threads) I never know someone GCPerm and anything about his/her good/bad threads. So, it doesn't add any value if senior members fighting on who is who.

I am speaking for benefit of this forum which will benefit every person who join/participate. But if a member doesn't bother or care about what kind of -ve impression they are leaving then what is the real benefit of having that member. Just because that member don't care about having more members doesn't reflect the forum core members view.

You don't agree to my views but your response is nice and civilized and that is what I am talking about. I would say amitjoey's way of response (so do your response to my comment) would help both PlainSpeak and every members who reads the thread to understand what is good/bad for us as group.

One thing I disagree is your rough reality, in the name of rough reality we don't have to write rough wording in a forum where we need more people to join for a cause. You may not want any more member but I don't think that could be the case with IV core members. Why, mostly (not all) people who are in this forum will stop working for the forum after getting GC and we always need new members (may be 1 in 10000) who will add value to the forum.

And I haven't responded to PlainSpeak because I have no knowledge about that topic and I am still understanding/learning it. Also amitjoey's response is more than enough which is civilized and perfect (at least to me). Unless I have something to add to his point I can just keep quiet instead of leaving -ve impression abt the forum.

For any cause as a group we can fight with violence (uncivilized) and without violence (civilized). There is always people for both approach, but as a forum member we need to follow the core members way rather than our own way. And part of user registration we all agree to the terms and one of it is "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

I had my own experience in this forum about hateful comments towards me by a senior member/donor. But that particular thread got removed because of so much hateful comments. Once we start accepting hateful comments it won't stop at any level and the forum will be filled with hateful comments. If you feel some thread/comment is not good better respond properly or report to moderator. Why we need to fill this forum with hateful comments when we have tools to avoid it.

actaccord: I also want to see civilized discussion. But that is not possible with people like PlainSpeak/GCPerm. I know this person. He has always tried to create Eb2/Eb3 divide. The problem is not with language of some of the posts you referred as "uncivilized", the problem is that for every post there are hundreds of people silently reading each posts. Each post influences those silent readers. If unanswered snakes like GCPerm can cause a lot of damage.

In an open anonymous forum you need to develop a thick skin. Person of every strip and belief can post anything. If you cannot handle this, it is better for you to resign from accessing any or all websites.For a period of time, I felt the same way as you did but it does not work that way. Stop this nonsense of political correctness when snakes like GCPerm spit venom to divide everyone.

A forum is a combination of all sorts of ideas and expression. You may like some and you may not like some. If you or your friends find it so difficult to stand this expression, then please sit quietly in your home because you cannot join hands with anyone in this real and rough world. How long are we going to " try to gain confidence" of more members? How long? I do not want to gain confidence of anyone anymore. If I was to make a decision, I would say that I don't need those members who cannot stand a little bit of rough reality. I am not going to do anything to "gain confidence" of others. If you want to work then good for you. If you don't want to work on the issue affecting your family, then so be it. You are doing a favor to no one but yourself when you speak with your Congressman. So Good luck and Good bye. But don't preach civility to everyone if you cannot first respond to PlainSpeak. I hate this Eb2/Eb3 fight.

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abhijitp07-04 11:48 AMI tried xls, and txt. it wont upload.i have total 655 contacts. The file size is small but still it wont upload on the iV site.

Maybe you should do that too.


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ganguteli06-02 04:05 PMIt very well depends on the lawyer .

If he could prove country quota as unconstitutional, which i feel it is.

But yes IV should talk to a good constitutional lawyer(not immigration), and find the odds,

And as you said, even if we do not win , we would for sure get some media coverage.

Why can't you find and talk to a good lawyer and spend your own money on consultation. We will know you are serious about it.

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alisa02-14 10:11 PMIf we increase the number of links from other web-sites, blogs etc to immigrationvoice.com, then immigrationvoice should show up earlier.

1) Does this mean that if we link from our webpages/homepages to IV, that it will count?

2) How about if I set up a website, create a thousand pages in it, and put a link to IV on each of those pages? Does that count? Is it the number of pages that point to IV that count? Or the number of websites? Do you know how the spiders work?

3) Also, how about clicking on IV. Like, can I google retrogression, and then go to page 2, and then click on IV. Will that count? If it does, then we can all do that daily. All the bums that come here and don't pay, they can atleast do this.

I am bringing this up because I had been googling retrogression for a long time, and IV never came up.


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perm2gc01-23 07:28 PMFinally he got what he deserved..I wish that US won't deport him..He should spend rest of his life in Federal Prison only.If he goes back to india(AP)..he will open one more company and do the same things.His uncle is famous telugu actor and was a member of parliament also..so he will get all the help he needs.I pray to god that he should be in US federal Prision for rest of his life...

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dreamworld05-02 01:12 AMGuys Peace..

Every freedom fighter is a terrorist first. We can get this from history. Do you know who killed
mahatma? Why? We can make a different argument. But there are differences between freedom fighters. But the ultimate goal is getting real freedom to the civilians who are fellow souls suffering from all kinds of issues from majority rulers.

Not a single way to solve our immigration issue here in USA and not just ImmigrationVoice is fighting. It applies to any freedom struggle. There are many different freedom fighters fight for the same people for the same case.

Guys look at Srilanka Tamil as Native Tamils from Srilanka and look what was done to them in the last 50 years from the beginning of Srilanka independence from British. Know the history and then make your point.

There is a large humanitarian crisis for Srilanka Tamil in northern Srilanka after the Srilanka military invasion and world is ignoring it.

I know nothing can be brought by killing people but only by peace and democratic and diplomatic approach can bring peace. Peace and Pray for all fallen freedom fighters in the world. Peace and NO WAR.


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krish200501-19 01:16 PMYeah and I don't mind hiring your sister and mother too. After all I am EOE. You shut up and if you feel bad leave this profession. It's that simple. But don't be in state of denial. I just shown you the mirror. This reply pl don't read with humor.


Lets try to stay calm and be together during these tougher times. Some might be in a better position than others which does not mean they will not be in similar state later on.

There are knives hanging over our heads. Let us not forget that.

Let peace and common sense prevail. Please note that antis might be watching the dogfight within IV.

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bobby07-04 11:39 AM"The US govt. does a number on High Skilled Immigrants"


My suggestions:
"Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US"
"US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants"
"US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants"
"Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness"
"Legal Immigration system in shambles"


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immique07-17 01:23 AMI don't agree with your arguement. Spillover can happen in any quarter and you don't need to wait until the last quarter for it to happen. with EB1 and EB2 being current, the spillover into EB2 I and C will start from November/December of 2008 itself

Since no one knows how many of pre 2004 EB2/EB3 are pending for India or ROW, it is very difficult to predict where the PD would be at 2008 november. Whoever feels the numbers less suggests EB2 india PD would move forward, whoever feels the numbers are more suggests it will move slower.

But this is what my assumption is USCIS/DOS would start will less number of Visas for starting of year, let us say 900 for EB2(I) on november 08. There is a possibility that EB3 to EB2 conversion, Missed out old PD cases etc would result in getting EB2 going backwards...This would be the case for first 2 to 3 quarters, even if it moves it would in couple of months.Again based on EB3(ROW) demand next year end EB2(I) may or may not move forward fast.
One thing for sure spill over happens only during the last quarter, be it horizontal or vertical.

But this years move would make some people lucky to get GC even if their PD is in 2006. Again this is all my assumptions..

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dilipcr06-16 02:24 PMThere's two themes in this thread that are interesting.

1. A couple of members advanced the argument that retrogression is good since it weeds out the supposedly undeserving. Here's a startling quote:

2. The question of luck.

I would like to share our story, because it touches on both these themes: I have two US graduate degrees; so does my wife. We've paid over 100K in federal income taxes in each of the past several years and I'm now a partner at my firm; the idea that folks are stuck in retrogression because they are undereducated low-cost workers is not realistic. And there are many cases similar to ours (some of which I read about on IV). We are stuck in retrogression because we have no answer to the country-quota bottleneck.

So, sure, retreogression may provide perverse pleasure to a select few greencard holders, but the inconvenience that retrogression causes most of us does not serve a greater Darwinian good.

What of luck? While luck has put us in retrogression, it has favored us in many ways --- we have a great family, a lovely home, and a bunch of good friends. I am sure all of us have seen similar plus sides of luck. But luck is stubborn when it comes to the greencard: when the window opened up last year, many folks with PD 2006 were approved, while many like us with older PD were left waiting. Luck is a strange animal -- it lets you see the map of the world in your handheld, but won't let you travel freely because of retrogression.

There's this story about luck and how one can get around it in some cases. It is not very relevant here, but here's the story: A wise man came to a village and observed a family living in great poverty. All the family had was a cow and a sack of grain. They would work very hard, but their net worth never rose beyond the "cow + sack of grain" level. The wise man, being wise, figured out what's going on. He asked the family to give away the cow and have a party with whatever grain they had. The family initially thought this advice was daft, but eventually complied out of respect for the wise man. The night after they had squandered everything, Brahma could be seen quietly bringing the family another cow and a sack of grain. What the wise man had figured out was that this level of net worth was preordained for that family -- whether they work hard or party. Not a great story to tell your kids to teach them about hard work; but provides an alternate perspective when you're stuck in line.

To be honest, you are the kind of people, with the right attitude and qualifications, who deserve the GC and should not be subject to these mindless wait times. I am truly sorry for you. Hope the best for you


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indio061706-28 07:31 PMLike I said, after AILA's memo came out yesterday, all the lawyers who were saying "it wont happen" have suddenly flipped and now they are saying "Anything can happen".

Sometimes I wonder what are we paying them for if we have to send them URL from AILA about various memos and directives? Isnt it a part of job description to keep an eye out on what's going on at USCIS ? It is available on websites for the whole world to see after all. I wonder how efficient these lawyers were when Internet didnt exist and everything was thru phones and postal services.

And ever since the dates got current for the whole world in July, lawyers are snapping back when you email/call them as if its our fault that dates suddenly became current for the whole world ? If its too much burden, then maybe its time to look for some other profession. No one is putting a gun on your head saying : "Be an immigration lawyer".

It is all about job stability and ego. They can act ignorant and slow and trap their clients in this perpetual state of anxiety. That is what their strategy is all about.

If we (highly skilled and informed) suffer so much at their hands, imagine the plight of millions of undocumented immigrants who are at their mercy.

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dallasdude05-29 12:31 PMOtherwise how would you explain the sudden rise in EB1 filings and a quota which never used to be over in previous years suddenly has cut-off dates.
If we keep quiet, these same clowns will use up all the visas and smirk at us for filing in the "lower" categories. What a backdoor to a green card! :mad:

Those clowns will rot in hell! All those unworthy idiots will never make it here till the end.

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_TrueFacts09-16 09:16 PMFamilies paid to claim YSR shock deaths (http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/61917/Top%20Stories/Families+paid+to+claim+YSR+shock+deaths.html)


Have to see how low YSR's Son can go. KVP used people's deaths as a reason to claim CM post for another Gunda YS Jagan.

Andhra Pradesh Congressmen are going to extreme lengths to show how scores of people in the state had died of shock following former chief minister Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy's tragic helicopter crash.

Ever since Reddy's body was found in the Nallamala forests on September 3, there have been reports sourced to the Congress party of deaths from heart attacks and suicides from all parts of the state.

However, cross-checking some of these cases revealed an uncomfortable truth that many had suspected all along - that these people had died of natural causes and their deaths could not be linked to Reddy's accident. The investigation also exposed how cynical local Congress leaders, and in one case allegedly a state minister, had paid the families of those who had died from natural causes since September 3 to say the deaths were due to shock following the former chief minister's accident.

imneedy03-20 10:53 AMWell there is no reason to say person who started this thread is buying labor.

Can you prove that you got an offer for substitute labor and you rejected it?


If you have a valid point, why don't you start a new thread where people can report those users who post question on substitution. We will see if that forum gets popular.

It is distracting to people who came to look for answers based on title of this post. Good luck at mud slinging!!

......because you are using labor substitution.

At this time nobody can do anything legally against people who are using labor substitution and employers who are secretly selling labor substitution.

This substitution is increasing backlogs, is unfair to people waiting in line, encourages employer exploitation since they use it as an incentive to woo employees and then exploit them, 'selling' is illegal but one must complain against the employer and the employee for DOL to act.

Lawyers are part of this scam. I have read in some posts that even AILA opposed when labor substitution was being ended. It is a lost business opportunity for their lawyer members!!

I have pointed several labor substitution members on the forums in the past. some of them were never found on the forum since they feared being caught. They must have changed their ID or ran away. So until a law is passed for banning it, such 'trade' that hurts our interests will continue.

Good that you guys are only buying labor certifications. There is no 'legal' process to buy greencards directly from employers yet!!

softcrowd05-29 10:31 AMSo, based on this prediction - Eb2 may not even cross year 2004 by end of FY2010 quota...Is my understanding correct?


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